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obama. the income gap, four times faster has expanded four times faster than it did under president george bush. under president obama, 6.7 americans in the millions have fallen into poverty. the same o that had the audacity to stand before the cameras and speak as though he had absolutely been uninvolvee and policies for the past five years. it's an extraordinary thought. the number of workers receiving disability benefits under his administration over the course of the past five years has risen by 20% to almost 9 million people. 9 million people under president obama. under president obama, 21.6 americans are underemployed or unemployed and giving up looking for work. under president obama, the average duration has nearly doubled to more than 36 weeks and today, president obama joined the nearly 70% of voters who say that the united states is now headed in the wrong direction. so often it seems that you can't make this stuff up. joinin us now is a fox news contributor, monica crowley and d
obama. the income gap, four times faster has expanded four times faster than it did under president george bush. under president obama, 6.7 americans in the millions have fallen into poverty. the same o that had the audacity to stand before the cameras and speak as though he had absolutely been uninvolvee and policies for the past five years. it's an extraordinary thought. the number of workers receiving disability benefits under his administration over the course of the past five years has...
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bush has a better approval rating than barack obama, even, right? and yet the -- it's conservatives and republicans who are invoking him as, you know, the best dig they can get in at obama is comparing him to george w. bush. it does show how far the republican party has drifted in various directions, mind you. not in one direction. but away from the bush years. and they are still trying to distance themselves from that. >> and i mean, brian, it's fascinating. we have had mission accomplished. we have had things being called obama's katrina. it literally does feel like -- insinuating things -- his iraq. are we literally going to have the right replay the entirety of the bush presidency, but as a way to attack barack obama? >> well, i think that any of bush's liabilities are sort of fair game. if you're republican. i mean, if you think about it this way, one way -- there are two ways to rehabilitate your image after you've -- you've you've damaged with it with iraq or katrina. one is do hard work oh of repairing your reputation by governing well again
bush has a better approval rating than barack obama, even, right? and yet the -- it's conservatives and republicans who are invoking him as, you know, the best dig they can get in at obama is comparing him to george w. bush. it does show how far the republican party has drifted in various directions, mind you. not in one direction. but away from the bush years. and they are still trying to distance themselves from that. >> and i mean, brian, it's fascinating. we have had mission...
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jeb bush. take care, jeb bush, maybe it is too crazy to be true, and you should take it easy. and today, the craziest story was the dead mice being parasuited into guam to combat snakes. the story says at anderson air force base, in guam, they want to control the street snakes because brown tree snakes are not native, there's no natural predator to keep them in check. turns out the snakes are vulnerable to acetminphene. so the government has been dropping thousands of dead mice loaded with tylenol into the trees in guam to be poisonous debate for the snakes. the person running the program is a director of supervisory wildlife biology. his name is dan vice. actually, this story is true. >> u.s. department of agriculture assisted state director wildlife biologist dan vice explains the process that is proving successful at controlling the ground tree snake population. >> what we're going to be watching is the aerial delivery of toxins from the helicopter. the helicopter is going to make flights ov
jeb bush. take care, jeb bush, maybe it is too crazy to be true, and you should take it easy. and today, the craziest story was the dead mice being parasuited into guam to combat snakes. the story says at anderson air force base, in guam, they want to control the street snakes because brown tree snakes are not native, there's no natural predator to keep them in check. turns out the snakes are vulnerable to acetminphene. so the government has been dropping thousands of dead mice loaded with...
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>> the issue does come closest for both president obama and president bush created the reason i do not think that it rises to that level is because iof the court's decisions they have made this feel like such of a mass. first of all, by the judicial and then not reviewing it it's very hard to maintain the offense when you have that degree of ambiguity. i do not belief that ambiguity is in the constitution. i believe the president obama violated the constitution of libya, for example. but because of that history and precedent they can claim that they were acting in a reasonable interpretation of the law. >> i congratulate you and i yield back the balance to. >> i have to be careful how i respond to that. i will now recognize another gentleman from texas. >> thank you chairman. i disagree with you on that republicans are only concerned about executive abuses when democrats were in control three i personally don't like any executive abuses that are who the president is. and i think that our executives have gotten out of control over the last several executives not to mention the judicial
>> the issue does come closest for both president obama and president bush created the reason i do not think that it rises to that level is because iof the court's decisions they have made this feel like such of a mass. first of all, by the judicial and then not reviewing it it's very hard to maintain the offense when you have that degree of ambiguity. i do not belief that ambiguity is in the constitution. i believe the president obama violated the constitution of libya, for example. but...
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then i imagine what these three families have in common, the clintons and bushes and obamas. they have been elected to a second term in the white house. i imagine -- >> made fun of jimmy carter. >> probably not in front of him. >> didn't quite make the cut. >> i imagine the obama would probably ask, how did you handle the second term, a divided congress and poll numbers take a hit. then at the end of the day, you recognize they are all human kz and probably talk about their dog. they have a dog. i imagine president bush brought a few home made paintings. >> there was some reporting, i don't know if you can confirm, jimmy carter got the middle seat. >> what i found interesting, you have president bush who probably in his own mind i think would say i did a lot of -- interesting as the republican on the plane, done the most during their presidency, debatable but certainly a lot. if i'm president obama and talking with president clinton and hillary and michelle obama, i'm saying, bill, hillary, you want access to my data -- >> can you do it sounding like -- >> you can do that. if
then i imagine what these three families have in common, the clintons and bushes and obamas. they have been elected to a second term in the white house. i imagine -- >> made fun of jimmy carter. >> probably not in front of him. >> didn't quite make the cut. >> i imagine the obama would probably ask, how did you handle the second term, a divided congress and poll numbers take a hit. then at the end of the day, you recognize they are all human kz and probably talk about...
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you saw a ten-year extension that first came up in the 80s, passed by clinton and bush and eventually president obama most likely, which continues a government ban on these sort of plastic weapons that cannot be detected by metal detectors. what was the issue here, new york democratic charles schumer, he wanted more. he said that we should define a gun by having more metal parts. in order to try to avoid -- this is too lenient, if you have a 3d printer, you can make plastic parts that won't be detected. however, because democrats wanted to get this ban through, a lot of them withdrew their opposition of the united states house, so much so this was passed by a voice vote. it's very rare that anything in the u.s. how's is passed by a voice vote. you saw it. rob andrews, a democrat from new jersey, close to the house leadership. don't let the perfect get in the way of good. as we've seen this past year, tamron, anything that has to do with any semblance of gun control turns off a large faction of the house gop conference and more conservative groups and the nra has been quiet on this. th
you saw a ten-year extension that first came up in the 80s, passed by clinton and bush and eventually president obama most likely, which continues a government ban on these sort of plastic weapons that cannot be detected by metal detectors. what was the issue here, new york democratic charles schumer, he wanted more. he said that we should define a gun by having more metal parts. in order to try to avoid -- this is too lenient, if you have a 3d printer, you can make plastic parts that won't be...
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bush's terms in office. under president obama, 6.7 million more americans have fallen into poverty. under this president, the same one who had the utd tutter audacity to stand before cameras and speak as though he has been absolutely uninvolved in policy for the past five years. i mean an extraordinary thought. the number of workers receiving disability benefits under his administration over the course of the past five years has risen by 20% to almost 9 million people. under president obama, the number of people receiving food stamps has risen by 50% to nearly 48 million americans. under president obama, 21.6 million americans are unemployed, underemployed or given up looking for work. under president obama, the average duration of unemployment has nearly doubled from 19.8 weeks to more than 36 weeks. today president obama joined the nearly 70% of voters who say the united states is now headed in the wrong direction. so often it seems, we say, you can't make this stuff up. joining us now author, radio talk show host, monica crowl and david webb and matt patrick, radio talk show host
bush's terms in office. under president obama, 6.7 million more americans have fallen into poverty. under this president, the same one who had the utd tutter audacity to stand before cameras and speak as though he has been absolutely uninvolved in policy for the past five years. i mean an extraordinary thought. the number of workers receiving disability benefits under his administration over the course of the past five years has risen by 20% to almost 9 million people. under president obama,...
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it involves jeb bush and the vatican. you won't want to miss this one. >>> the right keeps declaring the end of the obama presidency, but he keeps proving them wrong. that's ahead. people don't have to think about where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. generating electricity that's cleaner and reliable, with fewer emissions-- it matters. ♪ spending the day with my niece. i don't use super poligrip for hold because my dentures fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. so it's not about keeping my dentures in, it's about keeping the food particles out. [ charlie ] try zinc free super
it involves jeb bush and the vatican. you won't want to miss this one. >>> the right keeps declaring the end of the obama presidency, but he keeps proving them wrong. that's ahead. people don't have to think about where their electricity comes from. they flip the switch-- and the light comes on. it's our job to make sure that it does. using natural gas this power plant can produce enough energy for about 600,000 homes. generating electricity that's cleaner and reliable, with fewer...
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on air force one with the obamas. former presidents bill clinton and jimmy carter will also attend the event, but are traveling separately. president george h.w. bush could not attend. you can see the memorial service live on msnbc starting at 4:00 a.m. eastern time. >>> up next, republicans are still having some problems, some big problems talking to women voters. in the nation, we know how you feel about your car. so when coverage really counts, count on nationwide insurance. because what's precious to you is precious to us. ♪ love, love is strange just another way we put members first. because we don't have shareholders. join the nation. ♪ baby... ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ ...are the hands that do good things for the whole community: the environment, seniors, kids, and animals. that's why we created the share the love event. by the end of this year, the total donated by subaru could reach 35 million dollars. you get a great deal on a new subaru. we'll donate 250 dollars to a choice of charities that be
on air force one with the obamas. former presidents bill clinton and jimmy carter will also attend the event, but are traveling separately. president george h.w. bush could not attend. you can see the memorial service live on msnbc starting at 4:00 a.m. eastern time. >>> up next, republicans are still having some problems, some big problems talking to women voters. in the nation, we know how you feel about your car. so when coverage really counts, count on nationwide insurance. because...
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and more by president obama and the struggles with the economy and everything else. if you look at the polling, it shows a drop in support for democrats and the republicans have not been able to seize control of this. especially gay marriage and marriage equality. that is supported by the generation and for the republicans to take advantage of the opportunity that has been handed them, they will have to handle that really well. most on college campuses, you see here most of the republicans are much more supportive of the issue. it's not a threshold issue. it's critically important otherwise a wasted opportunity to seize support from folks who are looking for other opportunities to support different leaders. >> one thing that the president's reelection campaign benefitted from was turn out specifically about african-americans. they have the turn out machine for 2014. in terms of what will vote in 2013, whites 36%. hispanics 28%. african-americans 27% is down a lot from november of 2009. what do democrats have to do? can they rely on the get out the vote effort or do t
and more by president obama and the struggles with the economy and everything else. if you look at the polling, it shows a drop in support for democrats and the republicans have not been able to seize control of this. especially gay marriage and marriage equality. that is supported by the generation and for the republicans to take advantage of the opportunity that has been handed them, they will have to handle that really well. most on college campuses, you see here most of the republicans are...
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bush and barack obama, even comparing him unfavorably in some respects the bush, which i think will be an eye-catching statement on the part of the and widely respected with national security professionals and republican who agreed to serve in his cabinet. host: wharton, virginia, democratic caller. caller: how is everyone? host: fine, thanks. caller: number one, i did not believe that the rollout of healthcare.gov did not have a lot of problems, but think it has been way overblown. in terms of concrete numbers i bet you'll see -- you know what, we have a problem, but it was not the unmitigated disaster that so many people and most republicans have described it as , the effect on the percentage of the population being less than what they might have you believe. the next thing is instead of republicans jumping up and down and talking about how you can keep your health care plan if , building up the advances of those who lost in his interview the president said he did not take over the insurance company, that they were making decisions to pay for these plans and there was nothing in the
bush and barack obama, even comparing him unfavorably in some respects the bush, which i think will be an eye-catching statement on the part of the and widely respected with national security professionals and republican who agreed to serve in his cabinet. host: wharton, virginia, democratic caller. caller: how is everyone? host: fine, thanks. caller: number one, i did not believe that the rollout of healthcare.gov did not have a lot of problems, but think it has been way overblown. in terms of...
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on air force one with the obamas. former presidents bill clinton and jimmy carter will also attend the event, but are traveling separately. president george h.w. bush could not attend. you can see the memorial service live on msnbc starting at 4:00 a.m. eastern time. >>> up next, republicans are still having some problems, some big problems talking to women voters. in the nation, sometimes bad things happen. add brand new belongings from nationwide insurance and we'll replace stolen or destroyed items with brand-new versions. we put members first. join the nation. ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪ so ally bank has a that won't trap me in a rate. that's correct. cause i'm really nervous about getting trapped. why's that? uh, mark? go get help! i have my reasons. look, you don't have to feel trapped with our raise your rate cd. if our rate on this cd goes up, yours can too. oh that sounds nice. don't feel trapped with the ally raise your rate cd. ally bank. your money needs an ally. you can fill that box and pay one fl
on air force one with the obamas. former presidents bill clinton and jimmy carter will also attend the event, but are traveling separately. president george h.w. bush could not attend. you can see the memorial service live on msnbc starting at 4:00 a.m. eastern time. >>> up next, republicans are still having some problems, some big problems talking to women voters. in the nation, sometimes bad things happen. add brand new belongings from nationwide insurance and we'll replace stolen or...
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hopefully it is not retribution for catholic organizations opposing obama care. to be clear, the vatican embassy is not closing, never was going to close. it's moving to a new location that is ironically actually 1/10 mile closer to the vatican than the old building. while republicans are rejecting the vatican has it at all. thank you, both. i first heard this i was out in san francisco with my wife's family, and i hear, oh did you hear they're closing the vatican embassy? responds to, didn't even check the facts, just went with without source, fox, i don't know who it was. he says, is this just the derangement syndrome that everything the obama administration does it's another winston churchill bust that's been thrown out the window? >> well, most, but not all of the criticism is coming from the right. i mean, ray flynn was also among those who has been critical. >> who did he vote for? isn't he a scott friend guy? he's not exactly a democrat. >> he was clinton's appointee to the vatican. >> right. >> and you know, i think for these people, it really began with
hopefully it is not retribution for catholic organizations opposing obama care. to be clear, the vatican embassy is not closing, never was going to close. it's moving to a new location that is ironically actually 1/10 mile closer to the vatican than the old building. while republicans are rejecting the vatican has it at all. thank you, both. i first heard this i was out in san francisco with my wife's family, and i hear, oh did you hear they're closing the vatican embassy? responds to, didn't...
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one, president obama on a plane with george w. bush and laura bush. president obama will be speaking right before the president of brazil with whom there's been, i would say, frosty relations given the fact we've been tapping her cell phone. >> he may know what she's going to say. >> very good. president castro will be speaking. into this mix we throw ted cruz. given all of that, i wanted to get your thoughts on president obama spoke the day nelson mandela passed away. from your experience with him as a candidate and through the beginning of his presidency, mandela was a larger than life figure for all of us but especially for this president there's a resonance there i'd love to get your thoughts on. >> i'm reminded -- when i heard the news i was reminded in august 2006, i had the opportunity on a trip through africa with then senator obama. we spent half a day on robben island where nelson mandela spent 18 years of his life in a cell. i remember walking into that cell. i remember walking around the grounds. i remember going to the limestone quarries
one, president obama on a plane with george w. bush and laura bush. president obama will be speaking right before the president of brazil with whom there's been, i would say, frosty relations given the fact we've been tapping her cell phone. >> he may know what she's going to say. >> very good. president castro will be speaking. into this mix we throw ted cruz. given all of that, i wanted to get your thoughts on president obama spoke the day nelson mandela passed away. from your...
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bush was slightly lower at 37%. but this is the same president who it seemed could do no wrong when he was re-elected. ari often reminds me that in politics things can move very slow and they can also move very fast. >> only ari knows that? oh. >> and former white house adviser spoke to this on this week last week wanting it to move quickly. let's take a listen. >> people trust this president. i think there's been numbers all over the place. i'm confident in a few months from now those trust numbers are going to come up. i think his approval number will come up. >> that's obviously what every democrat wants. jon, it seems like this is a year the administration is wanting to put behind them very quickly. >> yeah, i mean -- well, if we had this conversation two months ago, two and a half months ago t would have been a very different conversation probably about the last year. it's just this last two months that have been very difficult for them. you know, i think a lot of the dancing on the right about the problems wit
bush was slightly lower at 37%. but this is the same president who it seemed could do no wrong when he was re-elected. ari often reminds me that in politics things can move very slow and they can also move very fast. >> only ari knows that? oh. >> and former white house adviser spoke to this on this week last week wanting it to move quickly. let's take a listen. >> people trust this president. i think there's been numbers all over the place. i'm confident in a few months from...
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bush as the most polarizing year ever. look how far the lines really are. it's no surprise since over the past decade the nation's seen a rise in liberal democrats and conservative republicans, it's which way politics to the fringe or center. we search far and wide to find someone who knows politics and elected as a republican governor and served four presidents including one democrat named obama. and the only name we could come up with is huntsman. yes, that's my dad jon. welcome to "the cycle." we've banished luke to the remote camera so you can be surrounded by beautiful women, a man with five daughters -- >> i have to say, i've been at a lot of tables but never been so intimidated. and so honored, i have to tell you, it's a great treat to be with you. >> we love having your daughter as well. >> i came to see whether she's been naulgty or nice and tour'e isn't here to give me the straight scoop. >> he wishes he could be but dad, you've been in politics a very long time, before i was born. your first job was advance man for reagan. have you seen it this d
bush as the most polarizing year ever. look how far the lines really are. it's no surprise since over the past decade the nation's seen a rise in liberal democrats and conservative republicans, it's which way politics to the fringe or center. we search far and wide to find someone who knows politics and elected as a republican governor and served four presidents including one democrat named obama. and the only name we could come up with is huntsman. yes, that's my dad jon. welcome to "the...
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bush, laura bush, and hillary clinton. bill clinton's traveling separately from rio and jimmy carter will join them in johannesburg as well. only the second time in history that the current president and three former ones are together on foreign soil. also making the trip, texas republican senator ted cruz. senate democrats were asked not to go because of their busy legislative calendar this week. on the house side, aaron schock is leading a 24-member delegation. many of those members are for the congressional black caucus. president obama will speak tomorrow at the service which you can watch right here on msnbc beginning at 4:00 a.m. eastern. that's tomorrow in the morning. we'll be right back after this. >>> welcome back to "hardball." if conservatives like senator rand paul get their way, unemployment assistance will be cut to as many as 1.3 million americans at the end of this month. merry christmas to them. the program that provides benefits is set to expire at the end of this year. there's little appetite from the r
bush, laura bush, and hillary clinton. bill clinton's traveling separately from rio and jimmy carter will join them in johannesburg as well. only the second time in history that the current president and three former ones are together on foreign soil. also making the trip, texas republican senator ted cruz. senate democrats were asked not to go because of their busy legislative calendar this week. on the house side, aaron schock is leading a 24-member delegation. many of those members are for...
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bush and bill clinton, along with former secretary of state hillary clinton are also attending. the massive memorial service, perhaps the largest honestly in history scheduled for tuesday in johannesburg's fnb stadium where president obama is expected to sta speak. a funeral will be in nelson mandela's hometown. here's live pictures from south africa where a prayer service is being held at the nelson mandela foundation hosted by archbishop desmond tutu. >>> ron allen about a half hour away in soreto. >> reporter: yes, here we are across the street from the nelltnel nelson mandela family home. you can see there's a street party that continues on now for several days since mr. mandela's death was announced on thursday evening here. the street has been filling with marchers, with choirs, with schoolchildren, with ordinary people who have come from far and near to be here, to be part of a celebration of mr. mandela's life. all of this is perhaps a day of anticipation because tomorrow about a mile or so from here, that huge soccer stadium that seats some 80,000 people, there will be
bush and bill clinton, along with former secretary of state hillary clinton are also attending. the massive memorial service, perhaps the largest honestly in history scheduled for tuesday in johannesburg's fnb stadium where president obama is expected to sta speak. a funeral will be in nelson mandela's hometown. here's live pictures from south africa where a prayer service is being held at the nelson mandela foundation hosted by archbishop desmond tutu. >>> ron allen about a half hour...
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bush. that's how our constitution works. al gore went out there and basically accepted that without complaint. al gore accepted the fact and then he won by 600,000 votes that w. was president. there were no legal challenges. there is an asymmetry between the hard right and the left. to say they are the same not true. >> there's an extraordinary speech by al gore that night and many observers thought if al gore had spoken that way over the campaign he probably would have won that election. >> if he had richard goodwin throughout the campaign instead of the concession speech it would have helped. >> we'll talk about the interview tonight. good luck. >> i hope i can do my job. katty, what's next? >> coming up, we'll have more here on "morning joe" with the economist which is looking into its krystal ball for the year ahead. we'll break down the magazine's predictions from music industry to president obama getting his second term back on track. stay with us for more "morning joe." we'll be right back. vo: it's that time of year
bush. that's how our constitution works. al gore went out there and basically accepted that without complaint. al gore accepted the fact and then he won by 600,000 votes that w. was president. there were no legal challenges. there is an asymmetry between the hard right and the left. to say they are the same not true. >> there's an extraordinary speech by al gore that night and many observers thought if al gore had spoken that way over the campaign he probably would have won that election....
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it started at the end of the bush administration, then continued on in the obama administration. but i think they found themselves a very limited option. the government is also culpable here in some respects because we tend to gloss over the impact of regulatory policy on companies, sometimes we have companies that, you know, find themselves in deep exetive trouble, in part because -- competitive trouble, in part because the burden put on them versus the burdens that are faced by their competitors are much more. and i'm not going to suggest the automotive industry didn't have and create a lot of its own problems. i think most people have watched it for years, worried that -- [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] >> good evening. i am happypy to report that senator murray and i have reached an agreement. we've been talking all year. and this week that hard work of the two of us sitting down and talking to each other all year has paid off. first, it started because we passed budgets. and senator murray deser
it started at the end of the bush administration, then continued on in the obama administration. but i think they found themselves a very limited option. the government is also culpable here in some respects because we tend to gloss over the impact of regulatory policy on companies, sometimes we have companies that, you know, find themselves in deep exetive trouble, in part because -- competitive trouble, in part because the burden put on them versus the burdens that are faced by their...
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although the obama administration did request and employ some modest funding in the recovery act and has proposed an infrastructure bank and talked extensively and i think sincerely about the need for investment, what has been lacking has been a specific concrete proposal from either party to address infrastructure financing in america. while the political maneuvering has secured here in washington, the gap in the highway trust fund has been growing and conditions of our roads, bridges and transit systems have been deteriorating. this puts america at a competitive disadvantage, complicates the movement of goods and people and contributes to congestion and pollution. at the same time, the needs grow, the resources are in significant decline. the gas tax has not been increased since the clinton administration 20 years ago. the future prospects are even worse. demands are increasing and deferred maintenance takes its toll while we watch the bottom fall out of the highway trust fund. we've seen a slowdown in revenue due to the near collapse of the economy, a shift in driving patterns whi
although the obama administration did request and employ some modest funding in the recovery act and has proposed an infrastructure bank and talked extensively and i think sincerely about the need for investment, what has been lacking has been a specific concrete proposal from either party to address infrastructure financing in america. while the political maneuvering has secured here in washington, the gap in the highway trust fund has been growing and conditions of our roads, bridges and...
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who was advising president bush in an op-ed to cut a deal with kim jong il that he really wants to make a deal. kind of like korea did, north korea did in 1994. she was wrong in 1994. she was wrong in 2001. she's wrong now about iran. we're told that those who refuse to learn from history are destined to repeat it. and when there is enough arrogance that anyone, any leader thinks they are smarter, wiser, better than anybody that's gone before, therefore they can make a better deal with corrupt and evil people like no one else has made, then their name goes down in history ust as neville chamberlain's has. he's waved his peace agreement, which he agreed to give away part of europe to his fuhrer thinking it meant peace in his his nd what it meant was ignorance and insidivity was going to cost -- naivity was going to cost millions of people their lives. history is there for people who are willing to study and learn from it. a shoulder -- i shoulder for the people in israel. i shoulder for people in the united states that think we're invulnerable. the only way the united states could possib
who was advising president bush in an op-ed to cut a deal with kim jong il that he really wants to make a deal. kind of like korea did, north korea did in 1994. she was wrong in 1994. she was wrong in 2001. she's wrong now about iran. we're told that those who refuse to learn from history are destined to repeat it. and when there is enough arrogance that anyone, any leader thinks they are smarter, wiser, better than anybody that's gone before, therefore they can make a better deal with corrupt...